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* Topic for #dataflow set by matju at Mon Sep 04 04:42:21 2006
<sqgl> syntax_tn u there?
<syntax_tn> sqgl: yes, but i'll be out for an hour soon
<rdz> sqgl, can i help you?
<syntax_tn> hi, btw
<rdz> sorry, didn't hear in _chat
<rdz> hi syntax_tn and everyone
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<sqgl> can we chat here so that i can cut and paste the session for my records please?
<sqgl> ok
<sqgl> trying to install netpd on the other linux machines
<rdz> ok
<rdz> you have problems to do so?
<sqgl> i forget if u gave me binary for zexy or if i had to make
<rdz> i think you made it yourself
<rdz> but i can give you also a binary
<rdz> but when you already have one, why not just use that one?
<sqgl> zexy.pd_linux i had to copy to /usr/local/lib/pd/extra yes?
<rdz> exactly
<sqgl> is that the binary
<sqgl> ?
<rdz> so with all other externals 
<rdz> yes... all .pd_limux files are binaries
<sqgl> is that the binary for zexy?
<rdz> yes
<sqgl> And if so then does that mean i do not have to make?
<rdz> if you already have the binaries, you just can copy them to the other machines, i think
<rdz> no need to make them again.
<sqgl> wot about the abs and examples folders in zexy?
<rdz> is there an abs folder in zexy?
<sqgl> jus put them with other abs?
<sqgl> yes
<rdz> yes, i think you can choose yourself where to put them
<sqgl> ok now for maxlib
<sqgl> i have many pd's in maxlib folder, so i suppose i copy them to abs
<sqgl> wot is difference beetween maxlib.dll (is that for windows?)
<rdz> it doesn't matter where you put some abstraction, but when you want to use them, pd must find them and you need to tell pd, where they are located. you can do that through the menu: file->path
<sqgl> and and maxlib.pd_linux
<sqgl> i think i have just answered myself there.
<rdz> .dll is the same like .pd_inux, but for windows, yes
<sqgl> ok so maxlib.pd_linux goes in the same extras folder, yes?
<rdz> yes
<sqgl> so it is ok for it to be called maxlib.pd_linux
<sqgl> or do i have to rename it?
<sqgl> (and same for zexy.pd_linux)
<sqgl> Thanks for off of help syntax_tn
<rdz> why renaming it?
<sqgl> ok i just thought it might be named "linux" so i knew wot it was for.
<sqgl> cool
<sqgl> wil u be here for another 15 minutes in case there r mor qesutions?
<sqgl> Actually i stll have that XP problem
<rdz> yes
<sqgl> But i suppose u don't kno abou windows
<rdz> what kind of problem?
<rdz> yes, i do
<MiS> what's windows?
<sqgl> problem when i open creator
<rdz> at the beginning i developed netpd on windows
<sqgl> windows apologises and says it must close pd
<rdz> hm..
<sqgl> it worked fine yesterday
<rdz> but that is when patches of other people still are open
<rdz> lets try when aeveryhting is closed, and then step by step we open all patches
<sqgl> ok
<sqgl> will start netpd in winxp now
<syntax_tn> (14:48:52) sqgl: windows apologises and says it must close pd <- oh, now that's a nice OS. linux isn't that apologetic
<rdz> sqgl, i closed everything in creator
<rdz> now you can try again
<sqgl> ok started. no errors. iem libraries loaded (4 of them0
<rdz> yes, and start creator now
<sqgl> ok about to click creator...
<rdz> yes
<sqgl> UPLOAD STATUS: connected to pd
<rdz> cool
<rdz> so i open some patches
<sqgl> ok i see master patch
<rdz> do you hear drums now?
<rdz> very spastic rhythm
<sqgl> nothing
<rdz> ok
<sqgl> sorry if this sounds dumb
<rdz> then lets test if your audio works
<sqgl> but to di have to click on netload patch?
<rdz> no, because i loaded some patches.
<rdz> that means they should show up on your machine as well
<rdz> now you startet master
<rdz> hihi
<rdz> go to:
<rdz> media->test audio and midi
<sqgl> ok working
<rdz> do you hear srums?
<rdz> drums?
<sqgl> my soundcard had its physical volume down
<rdz> aha
<rdz> ok
<sqgl> so y do u think it crashed abou ano hour ago
<sqgl> (every time i tried)
<sqgl> Others thought there were maybe some dodgy patches?
<rdz> when you open creator and someone else is having a session and has some patches open, then your cr will try to open them too. sometimes pd crashes when opening certain patches...
<rdz> still online?
<rdz> now i opened mx
<rdz> do you still hear the drums?
<sqgl> yes
<sqgl> just stopped them
<rdz> ok.. so everything is working fine then..
<sqgl> so that is good to knwo
<sqgl> that it is not my problem
<sqgl> i hoep everyone is cooperative at 1800GMT tonight
<sqgl> Is there more than one channel in netpd?
<sqgl> Like can there be seperate jam sessions?
<rdz> no, not yet
<sqgl> ok then i am extra apprecaitive for borrowing your playspace for a couple of hours
<rdz> if there will be many people sometime in the future, then we might setup more channels
<sqgl> (let alone all the help)
<rdz> of course
<rdz> ask the other people in chat, if they want to play with you....
<sqgl> so iemabs goes to extras folders also yes?
<sqgl> and iemlibs?
<rdz> as i mentioned yesterday, i suddenly cannot join you this evening
<sqgl> yes i know u go to Berlin
<rdz> yes, you can put iemabs there
<sqgl> wot if i want them in their own subfloder
<sqgl> wot goes in .pdrc files then
<sqgl> ?
<rdz> what? the abs or the libds?
<sqgl> the libs
<rdz> you can put the libs where ever you want but then you should add -path /to/the/location/of/your/libs to your .pdrc
<rdz> but normally one puts the libs into pd/extra
<sqgl> do i ignore CVS folder within iemabs folder?
<rdz> yes
<rdz> this is just for the cvs-client
<sqgl> i was thinking subfloders under pd/extra
<rdz> for the abs or the libs?
<sqgl> (so that on each machine i can quickly see what libs are present)
<sqgl> libs
<rdz> but why can't you see it quickly now?
<sqgl> because i won't be here after tomorrow in this city
<sqgl> and it woudl be good if someone else can always be able to know by just looking at wot folder names are ther
<sqgl> But not important
<sqgl> if i can only have one path then so be it
<rdz> hm then look just for .pd_linux files
<rdz> it should be as easy to seee..
<sqgl> sorry iemabs is just pd abstractions (duhhhhh!) so of course they do not go into extras
<sqgl> no wonder u kept asking lib or abs <blush>
<sqgl> ok should be fine now
<sqgl> Is it OK i put these on my web site in one convenient place?
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<sqgl> i can leave there for others in future
<rdz> actually it is the same with the abs: it is only importatn,that pd finds them. so if you place them into pd/extra that would work too
<sqgl> but i am puttin them now so that i can install easily on all machine here
<rdz> this is a good idea
<sqgl> Eventually all of these instructionsu have patiently walked me thru will be placed there
<rdz> then you can copy just one package to all other machines and use the same .pdrc for the other machines too
<sqgl> yes
<sqgl> but i want general istructins also in my howto because there will be new version of pd and libs that 
<sqgl> sysadmins here will need to kno how to get frmo first prinsiples
<rdz> of course
<sqgl> hmmm
<sqgl> i am looking at my .pdrc
<sqgl> i have one line
<sqgl> -lib iemmatrix
<sqgl> bu i think before i had
<sqgl> -lib iemmatrix mypath/netpd/abs
<sqgl> which sounds more like it, yes?
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<sqgl> But my linux machine is working without specifying the path for iemmatrix
<sqgl> so...
<sqgl> does that mean .pdrc is just saying "use iemmatrix" and not specifying a path
<rdz> hm..
<sqgl> because it is in a default path already
<rdz> sorry, i can't follow
<rdz> can you post your whole .pdrc?
<sqgl> not easy
<rdz> you can put each option on its own line
<rdz> aha
<rdz> i'd do one line with all externals, like:
<sqgl> i wll type my entire .pdrc file now:
<rdz> -lib iemmatrix:iemlib1
<rdz> etc
<rdz> no it is not necessary
<sqgl> -lib iemlib1:iemlib2:iem_mp3:iem_t3_lib
<rdz> add :iemmatrix
<sqgl> -lib iemmatrix
<rdz> yes, you could also group them all together in one line
<sqgl> ok i add :iemmatrix to the other line
<rdz> yes
<sqgl> ok will group them
<rdz> like:
<sqgl> do i need 
<rdz> -lib iemlib1:iemlib2:iem_mp3:iem_t3_lib:iemmatrix:zexy:maxlib
<sqgl> -lib iemmatrix
<sqgl> -path /home/audiouser/netpd/abs
<sqgl> hmmnn that was supposed to be on one line not two (cut and paste glitch)
<sqgl> What i am asking is do i have to specify iemmatrix-path in .pdrc
<sqgl> And do i have to specify 
<sqgl> /usr/local/lib/pd/extra
<sqgl> anywhere in my .pdrc file or is that a default